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28 August 2007

Fictional Morality: Star Wars

Welcome, oh welcome, to the first in a short series I'm beginning on the ethics and morality of various fictional universes and the problems with them: problems qua ethical systems, problems with their reflection of reality, and the storytelling problems they create. I want to stress that I'm not doing this as a faux-intellectual exercise for comedic value (see Famous Fictional Scientists or A Mind-Bending Question); I'm giving the old ethical muscles a bit of a stretch and really looking critically at these moral codes that we are supposed to accept. It's not terribly important, as ethical work goes, but it is at least fun and could potentially reveal things about ethics in the real world.

My first order of business is one near and dear to my heart: Star Wars. The ethical problems in Star Wars are many, and by Episode III they had significantly inhibited decent, believable storytelling.

The Jedi Code

The Jedi Code is the fundamental prescription of Star Wars morality. It gives a basic, easy to memorize (I should know) rundown of things good and bad as seen by the Jedi and, thusly, as enforced on the galaxy to one extent or another. It should be said, though, that Jedi are sort of a religious paramilitary organization and they have little or no legal authority. They do not, as a major tenet, force their beliefs on anyone or lord authority over others. Their ubiquity, however, throughout the Star Wars galaxy, and their major influence in all cultures and through the halls of government mean that Jedi morality is the ethical code to which others are expected to follow, force-sensitive or not. This means they are probably influencing others with their own questionable ethical system.

The code is as follows:

There is no emotion; there is peace.
There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
There is no passion; there is serenity.
There is no death; there is the Force.
We will examine this line-by-line informed by what else we know about Jedi from the movies and hopefully we will come to a complete picture of their ethical system. (I'm eschewing the Expanded Universe here partially because it would make things too complicated and partially because it's really little more than paid fanfiction.)

The first line: "There is no emotion; there is peace." This line, at first glance, might seem to be setting up a false dichotomy between emotion and peace. This is, in a way, part of the problem, as we will soon see, but the biggest problem here that emotion and peace do not actually exist on a continuum from which a false dichotomy would be derived. Saying "There is no emotion; there is peace" is like saying "There are no carrots; there is steak." Why can't there be both?

The implication that a lack of emotion is the same as the presence of peace is one that I'm sure most people would have a hard time accepting. Emotional control is one thing; completely eradicating the concept of emotion from your psyche is another. Emotions are part of the human experience; at the risk of sounding Kirk-like (and thus injecting a bit of Trek into Wars), emotions are part of what make us human.

And moreover, is not a feeling of emotional peace in itself an emotion? I submit that it is. I also submit that it is quite possible to be very emotional about something and still be at peace. Exultant happiness does not exclude peace. Being in love does not exclude peace. One can even feel at peace in hatred, I imagine.

Even bigger problems arise when we look at the Star Wars universe as context. The biggest implication of this part of the Jedi Code is that Jedi are urged to be completely emotionless. On one hand, this allows them (potentially) to deliver impartial judgements. On the other, it denies them things that might well make them better people, put them more "at peace," so to speak. Anakin Skywalker could have had a perfectly fine marriage were it not for this code. Instead, he hid his marriage and was wracked with (poorly acted) anxiety over his breach of the code. Were this tenet absent, he would have had emotion and peace. Instead he had emotion and emotional turmoil because he was breaking Jedi dogma.

This tenet is also inherently cruel given the structure of Jedi training. The Padawan learner inevitably builds a strong emotional bond with his teacher, all the while being told that such emotion is immoral and wrong. We have problems from the outset. It is almost reminiscent of the oft-told story about various militaries through time: the troops are each given a puppy and told to love it and take care of it, then once they have bonded with it are instructed to kill their puppies. The Padawans are thrown into a situation where emotion is inevitable but are led to believe that such emotion is wrong and should be eliminated.

This tenet, perhaps more than any of the others, betrays the needs of the Jedi to control the minds and actions of their own. It seems little more than a way to control people by limiting the minutiae of their lives. From a practical standpoint, it asks the nearly-impossible from Jedi and creates bad situations when Jedi make perfectly human decisions. I imagine this round proscription of emotion is responsible for more Jedi going dark than a hundred Sith Lords.

The second line: "There is no ignorance; there is knowledge." This is certainly a lofty moral prescription: learn as much as you can. With this tenet I do not think that they claim to be possessors of all final knowledge, but rather that they urge Jedi to seek knowledge constantly rather than allowing themselves to be ignorant. It's really pretty on the surface, but given its context in the Star Wars universe, it becomes essentially meaningless. The reason: newage bullshit.

Jedi sometimes seem like perpetual fonts of folk "wisdom" and empty platitudes. They are constantly being urged to "use their feelings" and think with their hearts rather than their minds. Rather than critically evaluate the options when making an important decision, Jedi are expected to meditate on it and "feel" the solution through the Force. What this means is that Jedi have no consistent, uniform way of acquiring knowledge. Presumably the scientific method exists in the Star Wars universe; I'm at a loss to account for all of their high tech otherwise. Jedi, however, while making use of the fruits of science downplay and try to eradicate the reasoned processes of thought that made it all possible in the first place.

While I'm sure that there are many, many Jedi with deep understandings of hyperdrive technology, galactic history, or Hutt biology, they can be little more than spectators who memorize the facts. They are urged to feel rather than think, to value the subjective over the objective and confirmable, the emotional over the rational (funny, considering the first line of the code). The second line of the Jedi Code fails to adequately describe how Jedi actually act and by perpetuating such a situation the Jedi are either hypocritical or (ironically) quite ignorant. The way in which they actually act regarding knowledge is intellectually irresponsible and possibly, depending on the gravity of the decision to which they "feel" a solution, ethically irresponsible. Moreover, its reliance on "feeling" truth is in direct contradiction with the first line of the Jedi Code regarding emotion.

The third line: "There is no passion; there is serenity." This line is almost just a restating of the first. The major difference is in the choice of "passion" instead of "emotion." It would seem, really, a weaker version of line one, as "passion" is generally understood as "strong emotion."

The first problem with even this limited proscription of emotion is, again, the false false dichotomy, so to speak, we saw in line one: passion and serenity are not mutually exclusive, and the absence of passion does not guarantee serenity. One who is passionately in love is often quite serene, whereas one who lacks all emotion could possibly be considered clinically depressed and then is most certainly not serene.

Of course, this line could be instructing the Jedi to eschew passion and replace said passion with serenity; that, while not mutually exclusive, it is better to be serene than not and better to be seren alone that either in concert with passion. From here I have to ask, quite simply, why?

This claim has, as far as I can see, no basis in reality and no rational back-up. Of course, looking to line two, we might get insight into how this line was created: it was not critically examined, it just "felt right." That the Jedi would deny themselves and others something so human as passion based on an ill-defined and subjective "feeling" is an object example of their lack of an equitable system of ethics.

From a practical standpoint, we also run into similar problems as in line one. Asking your Jedi to be dispassive toward everything not only denies their humanity but creates mental friction and stress when they do, as humans tend to, get passionate about things.

Another practicality issue is the utility of passion. The Jedi, as a paramilitary organization, would, were they rational, want to use all the tools at their disposal when it came time to defend the galaxy against the forces of evil. Passion is a great motivator, both in rhetoric (getting people on your side in the coming conflict) and in conflict itself. What good is it to fight impassively for your cause? A conflict, be it verbal, intellectual, or physical, almost requires passion, both so you can win over allies and so you can keep yourself fueled for the fight. The Jedi's blatant dismissal of such a useful tool is at once irresponsible and unconscionable.

And besides all of that, how many Jedi even bother to follow this tenet (or the first line, for that matter)? Obi-Wan Kenobi is perhaps the finest lightsaber duelest in history, and he is quite obviously very passionate about his fights. Mace Windu is passionate about justice. Yoda is passionate about proper Jedi training. Hypocrites all, or just people being people in spite of their poorly constructed ethical system?

The final line: "There is no death; there is the Force." Onward, Christian Soldiers. That's what I think when I see this. It is, like promises of Heaven, a comfort to those doomed to die, but could possibly be used as an comfort when asking or ordering people to die. It may be all well and true in the Star Wars Universe, and evidence seems to indicate that it is, but that's no excuse for downplaying life by trivializing death.

Of course, this could be interpreted as simply a prescription that one should not fear death, in which case it is perhaps the most innocuous of tenet of the Jedi Code, especially when paired with its actual truth in the Star Wars universe. I'm left to wonder, though, about all those poor saps who are not Force-sensitive. Do they live on in the Force after death, or is that a treat reserved for only those with midichlorians in thier bloodstreams?

The Reality of it All

Disclaimer: It's fiction, it's not real, yadda yadda yadda. The protection of fiction, however, does not give a serious writer an excuse to create characters who act in way that cannot even be understood by the audience. Physics is one thing. I can, for some reason, sooner forgive settings that break our laws of physics than I can characters whose morality and decisions make no sense whatsoever.

In the Star Wars Universe, morality apparently works differently from its counterpart in our universe. This can be summed up in one simple quote from The Empire Strikes Back: "Anger. Fear. Aggression. The dark side are they." Yoda, with this instruction to his student Luke Skywalker, essentially makes the claim "Anybody who is angry, fearful or aggressive has gone to the dark side."

This would be fine if it was merely an analytical claim: "the dark side" is defined as a collection of attitudes and actions including the emotional states of anger, fear, and aggression. Were "Anger, fear, and aggression are the dark side" akin to "An unmarried male is a bachelor," we wouldn't have any problems at all. Yoda would have to defend his definition of "the dark side," certainly, but it would be up for debate and not metaphysically binding.

The problem is that Yoda is really making an empirical claim, one that is objectively true in the real world (outside of definitions) and is metaphysically binding. What I mean by that is that, in the Star Wars universe, one who is angry, fearful, or aggressive is, in a very real physical sense, participating in the dark side of the force and is thus evil. There is objective morality in the Star Wars universe, and according to it, that person is evil.

Here we come to one of my biggest problems with Star Wars morality: it completely ignores intentionality. No matter your intentions when taking an aggressive action, you are, while undertaking said act of aggression, actually evil, and not just by definition. The action is evil thanks to a pesky metaphysical technicality and all your good intentions can't make a single dent in that. The upshot is that a series of aggressive acts, or actions taken in anger, change you from a good person into an evil person (for real, again, not just by definition), and your intentions likewise change from good ones to evil ones.

Take a test case: A "hedge Jedi" who discovers his Force-sensitivity in the absence of the Jedi Council and their code of ethics. He learns his way around the Force through experimentation and eventually gets a fairly decent intuitive grasp of his powers. One day our hedge Jedi happens upon an evil, evil man attempting to rape his sister (the Jedi's sister, not the evil man's sister). He throws some Force lightning at the rapist, halting the attack. But, lacking the rigorous emotional conditioning of the Jedi Order, he does it not out of a dispassionate command to defend the innocent, but out of a passionate, emotional, and, yes, angry and aggressive (but nonetheless ethically well-motivated) desire to defend the innocent. According to Star Wars morality, this good person who acted with the same intention (to protect the innocent), because of the way in which he realized that intention is now one step closer to actually being the rapist he stopped.

But this doesn't make any sense at all. He might feel guilty about his action later on, but his action, motivated by good, would not magically make him more sadistic, twisted, and evil just because.

Let's go a bit further. Say that an evil, evil overlord (motivated by a desire to do evil) lives in a tower on a hill above our hedge Jedi's village and is constantly oppressing the populace. Whenever he sends his henchmen to terrorize the village, our hedge Jedi, out of his passionate love for his friends and neighbors and his rage at the evil overlord in the tower, turns them violently back with his Force powers.

If the evil overlord attacks enough times, our hedge Jedi will eventually, defying all rationality, become just as twisted and evil as the evil overlord simply by doing the right thing. That his intentions were good are immaterial. That a real Jedi might have taken the same actions in the same circumstances is also immaterial. The fact that his actions were informed by passion and anger turns him into an evil person with intent to do evil.

I believe the complete absurdity of this speaks for itself.

All of this is informed, like so much fiction, by the myth of pure evil. The real world is not divided up into camps where good people do good things for good reasons and evil people do evil things for evil reasons. Moustache-twirling villains who sit around contemplating evil do not exist.

The prequel trilogy made an attempt to portray Emperor Palpatine as simply a power-hungry senator who really wanted order in the galaxy and seemed, on some level, to honestly think he was doing the right thing by creating that order. It all came off as pretty hollow, however, given his portrayal in Jedi as a wizened, evil old codger who just liked oppressing people because he loved doing evil. His evil, maniacal laughter while he hurled the entire senate at Yoda also belies this portrayal. At his core, Palpatine really is just your average unrealistic moustache-twirler.

Far more often people do evil things out of good intentions, or they don't really believe what they are doing to be evil. The KKK honestly believes themselves to be in the right, for example. They are not motivated to their evil by a desire to do evil, but a desire to do what they, in their twisted way, think is right. This is far more often the case. Ethics in the Star Wars universe would improve vastly if George Lucas would simply sit for a minute and think about the patent absurdity of people doing evil things for evil reasons. Even sociopaths don't, by and large, do "evil" because it is "evil." They're simply unmotivated to do good and have no empathy or conscience. A simple lack of the angel on one shoulder is different from the active presence of a devil on the other.

In the end, Star Wars morality is contrived and backed up by a dubious metaphysics that seems to exist only because the morality needs it. The morality, by contrast, is so fucked up because the metaphysics demand that it be so. Well-intentioned people simply do not magically morph into evil-intentioned people based on the emotional content of their moral decisions. In fact, most moral decisions are made because of a little emotion called "empathy." The other problem with this set up, of course, is that it's damned hard to find an evil-intentioned person. Power hungry? Sure. Psycopathic? Why not? Does evil for evil's sake? A fictional contrivance by people with small imaginations.

The Making of a Sith Lord

The best place to watch these nonsensical moral metaphysics play out is in the final hour of Episode III: Revenge of The Sith. The main character is, of course, Anakin Skywalker, a loving husband and well-intentioned Jedi who values truth, justice, and good. The problem: he's a little bit bad about emotional control.

The plot dictates that Anakin must become Darth Vader. We've known that since the end of Empire. It's tempting to say that Star Wars morality is serving the plot here, but given that Lucas's metaphysical contrivances existed long before Hayden Christensen badly read poorly written dialogue opposite the usually decent (and totally hot) Natalie Portman, I think it's fair to say that the way Anakin's fall played out is at least partially a consequence of the morality Lucas had created for his universe.

What we see, all through the movie, is a young man who is filled with good intentions but is being seduced (in a creepy old man sort of way) by the eeeevil Senator Palpatine. The thing is, Palpatine plays to Anakin's moral rightness and good intentions while doing this. At no point does Anakin's desire to do good waver. There was a brief glimpse of his anger when he slaughtered the Sand People in Episode II and some angst in Episode III, but nothing that wasn't motivated by a desire to do the right thing.

But wait! Anakin is in the office when Mace Motherfucking Windu storms in to arrest Palpatine (after a tip-off to Palpatine's evil by, who else, Anakin himself). He watches the fight and stands there, sort of awestruck, when Windu has Palpatine on the ropes. Windu decides he is going to kill Palpatine then and there because he is simply too dangerous to be left alive to stand trial. Really, Mace Motherfucking Windu had a point. Palpatine was an extremely powerful Sith Lord who was, at that very moment, attempting to kill Windu.

Anakin, however, thanks to his dedication to doing the right thing, argues that Palpatine should be taken into custody and put to trial before a setence is decided. It is this honorable intention to extend impartiality to even the vilest of wrinkly old pedophiles (mixed, arguably, with pity and empathy for the old man's pain) that causes him to behand Windu, and Palpatine sends him to his death on the distant ground level of Coruscant.

So what's Anakin's next action after his good intentions have indirectly caused Windu's death? Does he take the Senator into custody so he can be tried? To quote Darth Vader, "Noooooooooooooo!" He gets on his knees and swears fealty to somebody he knows is evil, somebody he fucking turned into the authorities, and becomes Palpatine's dedicated evil servant!

In the next hour or so he gleefully slaughters children, attempts to kill his wife (who, out of his love for her, indirectly caused his "fall"), and fights at great length with his best friend.

His good intentions led to a series of arguably bad decisions that, coupled with the emotion and passion he felt towards his wife, caused him to become an evil person with evil intentions.

Of course, he is represented as just hopeless. This, like Lucas's pretention to Palpatine's moral complexity, rings hollow, feels like an afterthought meant to evoke moral complexity without actually containing it. The complete absurdity of Anakin's fall to the dark side, the Star Wars dichotomy that completely ignores intentionality, belies any attempts at complexity Lucas might make.

His patently absurd moral metaphysics led to one of the dumbest plots in modern cinema, and one of the least sympathetic characters ever written. Nobody can understand Anakin's decisions, because they were informed not by normal human intellect and emotion but instead by a moral framework that perforce makes smiling murderers out of good people thanks to a pointless and unnecessary metaphysical contrivance.

Of course, it might be argued that Yoda's warning about anger, fear and aggression was simply a self-fulfilling prophecy, that Anakin bought so far into Jedi ethics that he felt his fall was inevitable and thus made it so. I have two responses to that: firstly, I do not believe it is true. Anakin Skywalker was a good, well-intentioned person until the very moment when he randomly decided to become a Sith Lord. This can only be explained by a moral metaphysics that changes a person's psychological makeup as they do things that are objectively wrong in that universe. Secondly, even if it is true that Yoda's claim was a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than a metaphysically binding warning, the entire Jedi ethical system is made that much worse. The very tenets the espouse are what drive people to the dark side after they make a few mistakes. A good Jedi who screws up a couple of times feels he is irredeemable and evil and thus becomes irredeemable and evil. What's more, the Jedi are so convinced of their righteousness, so sure that their claims really are metaphysically binding, that they refuse to address the root problem and are, in a very real way, somewhat evil themselves.

I am reminded of the Catholic Church's strategy in dealing with pedophile priests: don't admit that their proscription of healthy sexual behavior is wrong and stupid, just punish the guilty.

If this doesn't condemn Jedi morality to the spice mines of Kessel, I don't know what does.

So, really, in the end, I have very little good to say about the morality presented in Star Wars. On its own merits it is frivolous, self-contradictory, and irresponsible both ethically and intellectually. It is built around a completely unrealistic metaphysical structure that causes people to act in ways that people would never act and change in ways that people would never change. It is a major contributing factor to some really bad "character development" and storytelling.

So who cares, really? Well, maybe nobody, but I'm pretty sure there are people out there who never gave a second thought to the "goodness" of the morality espoused by the Star Wars movies. I used to be one of them (memorized the Jedi Code, remember?). I'm hoping that, like people who unquestioningly think Ghost Hunters is true, I might reach a few folks with this and get them really thinking about ethics rather than just accepting, Jedi-like, something that "feels right."

Up later: The morality of Dungeons and Dragons.

17 comments:

Wikinite said...

I always saw gnosis as being implicit within the force. Original Ben kenobi describes the force as an "energy field" which connects and binds the universe together. In empire, Yoda goes on to say that non-living things are active with the force (he specifically mentions rocks). If the force is in touch everything in the universe, and the jedi are tuned into this connection, then it would seem that they could reach out through this connection and gain some sort of gnostic understanding of things in the universe. Kind of like in Highlander when Rameriez has Conner 'feel' the stag. Similarly, since jedi are connected with every sentient being, they should be able just hope on the 'force grid' and 'borrow' someones understanding of technology. Need to fix a hyper-drive? Let me just tap into the empire's chief mechanic.

Nathan said...

I don't necessarily agree with all of your commentary on Star Wars (you leave out a lot by leaving out the expanded universe!) but I agree with you regarding the Jedi Code.

In the expanded universe many Jedi have come to conclusions similar to yours. Even Luke has adopted practices that Yoda would have considered "dark" and teaches them to his students. Jedi in the generation following Return of the Jedi are much more diversified and don't rigidly follow the old code.

Lost Wanderer said...

I agree with wikinite. Jedi are "Force sensitive;" they have a sense for the Force, much like humans have a sense for light, a sense for sound, etc. Just as we can gather data about the world via our eyes and ears, Jedi can use their Force sensing "organ," their midoclorians, to gather information about what surrounds them. They use the word "feel" not in reference to some unidentifiable action that pervades newage thinking, but to refer to the use of a basic sense they have and use regularly. The language they use lacks appropriate words to express the action as anything more complex then "feel," is all.
Beings who aren't Force sensitive still touch and are touched by the Force (it touches everything, after all), and are therefore part of it's flow and would reunite with the Force as a whole upon their death. If you're thinking of how Force ghosts are unique to Jedi, don't forget that Qui-gon was the very first Jedi to retain identity upon death and reuniting with the Force, and all he could do was communicate with Force sensitives. The "ghost" thing didn't show up until Obi-Wan died.

Akusai said...

In the expanded universe many Jedi have come to conclusions similar to yours.

I thought of adding that in a short afterword, but I figured the article was long enough as it was. Plus I've read that Lucas himself isn't too happy with that development, and it's not official canon, anyway. That's the major reason I disincluded it.

Dreyksune said...

Great article, overall. My only nitpick - and maybe this is just my deep love for the genre talking - is that I can't call having a "Corrupting Evil Force" in the fantasy genre "bad storytelling". It's up there with dragons; to be good traditional fantasy, you've got to have one or the other, but preferably both.

It doesn't debate most of your points, of course. The Force is this mystical energy which cannot be handled with the slightest trace of emotion. To try and protect themselves, the Jedi come up with a code of conduct which is COMPLETELY impossible to follow, and, essentially hope for the best.

I'm sure I could make a comparison to organized religion here, but I'll pass.

Akusai said...

This is probably just a difference on opinion, but the "corrupting evil force" is something so ridiculous that lends itself to so many cliches that I have to call it bad. Dragons are just fantastic creatures. Magic (and its close brother the Force) are abilities that don't exist in the world but are fun to read about (though magic can and often is used as a tired deus ex machina). The "corrupting evil force," whether it be the Dark Side or the One Ring, is an absurd concept that's used (1) as a cliched plot device and (2) to create a pretense of character development where there is none. Frodo's slow fall toward evil just by holding the ring isn't character development because it isn't resultant of his own decisions but rather the absurd corrupting force that changed him as a character.

I guess my major problem with the corrupting force is that it stands firmly in the way of good, character-driven storytelling. Perhaps you might enjoy reading The Well-Tempered Plot Device, an essay by that pretty well breaks down why most fantasy really isn't all that good. Fantasy doesn't get a free ride on storytelling, as fas as I'm concerned, just because it's set in an alternate universe. That creates a double-standard.

More on Anakin, though, his decision to immediately join Palpatine followed no internal logic that I can discern. I felt it was completely random and nonsensical.

And, regarding your own post and reference to Greek tragedy, as a guy who almost went to grad school for Classics, I wasn't insulting Greek tragedy per se. However, when Greek tragedy falls into the same pitfalls as modern fiction, when it follows dubious internal logic and creates unrealistic, kind of ridiculous situations, it is at much at fault as anything modern. Just because it's old doesn't mean its exempt.

It might seem like I'm being a pretentious asshole, but I'm really not trying to be. I just have some strong opinions about the nature of fiction (something I know is inherently subjective) and I'm trying to elucidate them as well as I can; I'm not really trying to win you over to my side, just get you to understand better where I'm coming from. I love Star Wars and read fantasy and sci-fi almost to the exclusion of other things, and I want to see those genres improve their storytelling to the high levels I've seen in the really good literary fiction I've read (I also almost went to grad school in creative writing, all before I decided "I will hate any grad school.")

That being said, most literary fiction is boring, pretentious bullshit.

Will said...

I don't think the "One Ring" plot device is nearly as bad as the Force. For one thing, it is explained better, as a de-facto sentient creature, trying to gain power over people, a lot more like mind control than seduction, but subtle. The dark side of the force, however is supposedly there because, like you say, good people turn into evil people because of the manner in which they carry out their good intentions. With the one ring, it doesn't matter what your intensions are, you put on the ring and it will slowly take you over. Not to take anything away from Peter Jacksons movies, but... they're movies. The backstory is presented better in the books, and Sauron's motivations are hardly evil, just terribly misguided and without compassion with a lot of selfishness thrown in, and the ring pretty much 'acts' as he does. In fact so much like him that under it's influence, you would contest Sauron for the rule of Middle Earth if you claimed the ring for your own. Smeagol's behavior was considered atypical of someone who owned the ring and was mentioned several times as puzzling to some degree. Anyone of power who got the ring would end up supplanting Sauron, not following him.

As a plot device it is a little weak, but the fascinating part of Frodo's fall is not the fall itself, but how he deals with it, and it is not nearly as unbelievable as Anakin's "seduction"

Wikinite said...

I don't think the "One Ring" plot device is nearly as bad as the Force.

Well, if we use the well-tempered plot as a basis for analysis, then the one-ring should count as a plot coupon and invoking the author. The force just invokes the author.

Dreyksune said...

Akusai, you certainly don't come across as a pretentious asshole; you come across as someone who understood my point but defended your statement against my point. As a Star Wars fan, I've dealt with lazy arguments against the "Prequel Trilogy" hold it up to a high standard which is, frankly, in complete denial of these what it actually is - children's fantasy. Our disagreement is a purely technical one; I'm willing to give children's fantasy (and, by comparison, mythology) a little more wiggle room when it comes to "Big Bad Foozles" and other forms of easy storytelling.

I disagree that Anakin's breakdown in Revenge of the Sith was "nonsensical and random." Anakin was repeatedly shown, on screen, to be a socially retarded, brain damaged child with an unhealthy obsession with his mother. He was considered to be so powerful and dangerous that his guardians kept him at arms length, relying on a "Code of Behavior" to guide him, ignoring the fact that the Jedi Code was confusing and potentially dangerous. He therefore had no understanding of right and wrong; the Jedi said emotion was bad, but Padme and Palpatine said emotion was good. He spent several years violating the Code, and as we can see in the beginning of Episode 3, he's unstable and suicidal.

Palpatine sets him up with a situation which his damaged mind cannot cope with: Only Palpatine can save Padme, but Palpatine's existence violates the Jedi Code. Windu is the greatest Jedi, so he follows the Code absolutely; but he's planning to kill Palpatine, which will kill Padme. Anakin goes insane; he literally becomes psychotic (if I'm understanding my psychological terms correctly). He decides that, since the Code of Law he is supposed to follow will kill the only people who matter to him, the Code of Law needs to be disobeyed, and that since the only people that are real are him, and Padme, and Palpatine, who cares if he's killing children?

One of the problem people have with the prequel trilogy is that it conflicts with what Obi-Wan says to Luke in the beginning of "A New Hope". The problem is that people expect that, because Obi-Wan is the "Wise Mentor" to Luke, everything he says is Truth. Which is, of course, wrong; Obi-Wan is constantly lying to Luke, trying to forge him into The Ultimate Warrior Of The Light. Of course, to Obi-Wan, lying is a second nature; "Darth Vader murdered your father" turned out to be a pretty immense lie, didn't it? So, why do we expect "Your father was a great man" to be truth? It's just a convenient lie, to cover up, "Yeah, your dad? Completely nuts, from the moment we met him. Oh, sure, if we could point him in the right direction he made a damn fine tool, but nobody was completely surprised when he went insane and started killing everyone."

JackalMage said...

One thing that you said which rings very true to me is "The Jedi Code itself causes many to fall, by seeing themselves as already fallen."

That's supported well in much SW material, I think. Hell, back in KOTOR1 that was the entire point of the Juhani redemption - you have to convince her that anyone can be forgiven back into the Light, in direct contrast to what the Code would tell you. (Well, you don't have to, but still...)

I played that entire game disobeying the Code and still became the Lightiest Light guy that ever Lighted. The Code itself leads you to a lot of bad things. If you follow the Code, Bastila is lost before you even start. Only by walking the line of controlled, but powerful, emotion can you bring your entire party to the Light.

Juanita's Journal said...

The prequel trilogy made an attempt to portray Emperor Palpatine as simply a power-hungry senator who really wanted order in the galaxy and seemed, on some level, to honestly think he was doing the right thing by creating that order. It all came off as pretty hollow, however, given his portrayal in Jedi as a wizened, evil old codger who just liked oppressing people because he loved doing evil. His evil, maniacal laughter while he hurled the entire senate at Yoda also belies this portrayal. At his core, Palpatine really is just your average unrealistic moustache-twirler.


This is a basically a good essay, but I found the above paragraph rather questionable. The movies never really made it clear what was on Palpatine's mind . . . yet, instead of acknowledging this, it seemed to me that you had made your own assumptions without any real evidence.

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Juanita's Journal said...

I don't think the "One Ring" plot device is nearly as bad as the Force.

I do. The Force is not really an external entity that has influence upon the characters. It is supposed to be within all living beings. And it is influenced by the actions and intents of that individual.

On the other hand, the Ring in LOTR, clearly seems to be an external influence upon the moral choices and state of mind of the individual. In a way, it allows the individual NOT to be responsible for his or her actions. And that is . . . a bit cowardly to me, in regards to characterization.

Juanita's Journal said...

More on Anakin, though, his decision to immediately join Palpatine followed no internal logic that I can discern. I felt it was completely random and nonsensical.


This comment does not make any sense to me. This sounds like it comes from a person who expects everyone - including all fictional characters - to behave in a logical manner. Since when have sentient beings ever truly been logical? And I don't understand how Anakin making a desperate choice in order to save his wife from possible death could be labeled as nonsensical. Is this person saying that if Anakin had chosen to follow Palpatine for the sake of simply possessing power would have made more sense?

Wikinite said...

This comment does not make any sense to me. This sounds like it comes from a person who expects everyone - including all fictional characters - to behave in a logical manner.

No, It is just expected that they act in a reasonably consistent manner. There was no compelling reason why Anakin would have joined palapatine, as the whole cannon of his character goes against it.

If you want to be pedantic and nitpick Akusai's choice of diction in using 'internal logic' that is fine, but please do not construe that the content was not clarified by the context of Akusai's statement. George didn't write a feasible plot of Anakin's conversion based on how the character developed; he just wedged the plot point into the story line with a crowbar.

Dikkii said...

More on Anakin, though, his decision to immediately join Palpatine followed no internal logic that I can discern. I felt it was completely random and nonsensical.

This is kinda similar to some thoughts I had regarding the whole process.

I thought that Anakin's slide into the Dark Side was too quick and that, at least in terms of plot development, they should have played it out longer. It just appeared to me like Lucas felt that this was unimportant.

If that was the case I disagree with Lucas on that. It would have been far more entertaining to have a suspense-filled "will-he-or-won't-he" transition over to the Dark Side. Even though we all knew he would cross over, there would have been kids who hadn't seen Eps IV, V and VI.

Dikkii said...

Apologies for the second comment.

This is slightly unrelated but it has always annoyed me.

Those who enjoy picking apart concepts like The Force in Star Wars usually have quite a lot in common with those who sit through Arnie movies saying "this is unrealistic". I will admit that it's a no-brainer.

What the annoying part is, is that they'll happily accept talking trees and wizards flying on eagles, together and four-storey high jumbos with four tusks.

Or that French chicks are all hot and they put out if you so much as look at them across a crowded bar.

Or that a rich guy's last words on his death bed was the name of his sled growing up.

Or that the internationally notorious drug-dealer's brother-in-law just happened to be a DEA agent who never suspected a thing.

Or that no one went to jail for stalking Mary.

Or that an entertaining story can ever be made of a bloke who is somehow bulletproof, bombproof and impervious to everything except mysterious green meteorites.

In other words, should it then be considered suspicious when something as relatively innocuous as The Force (I'm not defending acupuncturists) is zeroed in on at the expense of all these others?